then the challenge is okay let's say I work with the group they developed so we've worked with social phobias with people who are complete introverts won't

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leave their apartment everything is delivered their family brings everything to they are terrified to go outside complete social phobia I've had multiple

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instances where I start them out with an online video game where it's a safe environment whether it's one of the ones you were talking about neverwinter

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nights in the aurora kit yeah I use that to create custom module that's smart so that they can have a safe social

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environment so we start them kind of computer-based remote then slowly get them come down to the offices where they know it's a safe environment with people

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we know will be safe to play with first they might just watch and then incrementally this is a pretty standard phobia exposure therapy technique have

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them start playing then we take him to a game store and have them watch a pickup game and then we you know with the GMI

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store i've sent him to it i've sent him to him even before I knew him I was sending I'd heard about him and was

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saying it was absurd I was watching you at one point before we were bad and so sent people and then and they joined the

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game and the message is at first I'm going to die I'm going to die and you're changing it to I didn't die I'm okay I'm

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safe and eventually now but then you got generalize it okay so one guy did

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generalize where he's going to the grocery store and everything else integrate another fellow he's running

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games he uses the bus runs two games a week but he hasn't generalized as much

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he still struggles with growing a grocery store and so he's got this kind of bubble but his bubble has gone from this to this I think that's a huge win

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and for the other guy was a complete win so you know you have variants and something happened in your store well he

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was sending people to my store he wasn't actually telling me he was doing it and there people would be watching from you

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know you have confidentiality things so he would have people watching the games for a thing and then noticing that nobody was getting hurt everything was

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being safe and everybody was taking care of it nicely etc but even just getting to the store I imagine it worked up to

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that and they'd have good days and bad days I'd sometimes transport yeah but

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but the this is towards getting their life back it's all part of the problem the group said that they were joining

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does anyone in the group know that this is a person that's we're coming some challenges so Nauticus

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tours they self-identify yeah now in my offices and sets sometimes we have a group of volunteers who are trained and

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we use them as a safe environment as a stepping stone but in the public stores no no no no we don't we don't want to we

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don't want to isolate them that way you don't want the name of the Stig neither good stereotype about gamers is that

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they are an inclusive it's an incredibly you want to play and researchers most

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people just want more people to play with there are more people to play Dungeons and Dragons and here's a thing

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you researchers who want to find in a different population group you research out role-playing gamers like paperwork

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what do they do all day long to play the game they fill out forms I have never

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seen a group more like


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